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In the skies over California, some of the strangest images ever seen.

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This actually was taken in Bakersfield, California.

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Craft that seemingly defied the rules of physics.

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Like some of the world's most advanced technology, there are allegations that these designs may have come from beyond the stars.

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Is it possible that world governments have been secretly reverse engineering crashed UFOs,

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creating technological marvels that seem to appear out of nowhere?

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I shouldn't be talking about it.

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Does the SR-71 Blackbird spy plane owe its revolutionary design to the UFO sightings reported by its creator?

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Is it just coincidence? The B-2 stealth bomber and the F-117 fighter jet resemble the craft described in the first modern UFO sighting.

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There was an object in the sky.

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We actually saw what was almost like a stealth fighter.

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Are these military drone aircraft reverse engineered from captured UFOs?

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I've never seen something like this before.

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Our technology has advanced exponentially over the past 60 years,

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more quickly than our ability to deal with its consequences.

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We're playing with time travel. We're playing with telephoneses.

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But is some of our most advanced technology not our own?

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This is Case Number 47204 Reverse Engineering.

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The team from UFO Magazine is in Fort Collins, Colorado, looking at the strangest evidence of reverse engineering in recent years.

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This actually was taken allegedly in Bakersfield, California, showing a very obviously clear craft.

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It looks very sophisticated.

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The photo was posted anonymously on an Internet public forum.

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The craft is hoop-shaped, with spires on top that presumably provide some sort of lift or propulsion.

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James Kerion is the International Director of MUFON, the Mutual UFO Network.

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It was founded in 1969 to scientifically and objectively investigate UFOs.

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It has become one of the outstanding resources for UFO research.

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Another series of photos came out May 16, Capitola, California.

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This photo was posted by someone using a different screen name,

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but it seems to show the same craft in a different part of the state.

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Now, after these initial images came out, in May, another series of images were reported directly to MUFON's website,

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allegedly taken by a cell phone.

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Three sets of photos, seemingly of the same craft.

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What is the correlation?

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Most of the locations are near Saratoga, California, and that's not all.

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Nearby are NASA's Ames Research Center, and 10 miles away, Moffitt Field, also now administered by NASA.

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This has added to the speculation that the craft, whatever it is, is a creation of the United States government.

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This last series of photos that came out in Big Base in California in June,

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if you look closely enough at them, you'll see that they have on them symbols.

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The cryptic symbols on the drone's body do not resemble any known alphabet,

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but one person has come forward claiming to know their origin.

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A gentleman named Isaac claimed that he recognized the symbols that were on these drone craft

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because he worked on them under a secret government project back in the 1980s called the CARAT program.

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In June 2007, a man identifying himself as Isaac posted a letter on the Internet claiming he had been an engineer

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for a secret government program called CARAT, commercial application research for extraterrestrial technology.

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He backed up his claims by posting documents which he had allegedly stolen from CARAT and photocopied.

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Quote, the military was hard at work trying to understand and use the extraterrestrial artifacts it had in its possession.

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Moffatt has been investigating the claims and analyzing the CARAT documents to assess Isaac's credibility.

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So he released a series of documentation, and these were the major allegations.

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He believes these craft use invisibility technology.

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Now the reason they were seen by these photo witnesses is because the invisibility cloak was disrupted by some non-human technology.

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The claims from this elusive witness may seem extreme, but scientists, engineers and experts the world over

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believe that governments have been reverse engineering alien craft for the past 60 years.

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But such claims have never before been supported with documents and photographs as clear and detailed as these.

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Check this out. What if there was this reverse engineering program going on and then these are like little test flights happening in the skies?

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So for me to get a better sense of this, we need to get some image analysts to review those experts in their fields who could look at the case here

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and give us their expert opinion.

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Look, I'll tell you one thing, reverse engineering is very, very tough to prove, extremely tough to prove.

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But there are some incredible experts in the field and see what their take is on what's been reverse engineering technology.

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So Pat, let's collect this material, let's get to the experts.

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You got it.

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The team travels to Littleton, Colorado to meet an engineer who claims to have firsthand knowledge that government reverse engineering programs are real.

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I never talked about that for years because I felt that it was a classified thing and I shouldn't be talking about it.

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John Schusler worked for NASA during the Gemini and Apollo programs from 1962 until his retirement in 1998.

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His introduction into UFO phenomenon began with NASA's Gemini missions.

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On the first Gemini flight, it was the Gemini Titan II. It was an unmanned mission.

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January 19th, 1965, the Gemini Titan II rocket launches into space at 2.03 p.m.

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Minutes later, as the rocket makes its suborbital flight, Schusler notices something anomalous.

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When that came around the Earth the first time, it was reported there were two objects with it.

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They were spotted by radar and on the second time around, they were gone.

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This mysterious event was the beginning of a wave of sightings UFO experts believe were witnessed by astronauts.

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June 4th, 1965, the Gemini 4 capsule orbits above Hawaii.

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Astronaut James McDivitt mans the controls while his partner Ed White sleeps.

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Suddenly, an object appears outside the window.

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McDivitt describes it as a cylindrical object with a long arm jutting out from one side.

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He takes two photographs, then fearing the capsule might hit the object.

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He turns on the rocket engines and moves the spacecraft to a safer location.

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When he looks out the window again, the object is gone.

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He was very candid about saying that he did see something and it wasn't ours.

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It was a guy who was a general in the Air Force.

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He was a well-known fighter pilot and then serious when he said something's going on.

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NORAD's official explanation was that the object was the discarded second stage of the Titan II rocket.

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But while McDivitt insisted that it wasn't what he saw, he never filed a UFO report and declined to speak publicly on his sighting.

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Schusler began compiling documents detailing NASA's UFO encounters, describing what the craft looked like and how they flew.

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His investigations didn't go unnoticed.

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I shouldn't be talking about it. In fact, I was called in and asked for some documents, UFO documents, by an advanced design group designing a stealth fighter.

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And I turned over to them a bunch of my files so they could look and see if there was a reverse engineering stealth technology.

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But for a long time that group was working stealth technology.

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Stealth is one of many astounding technologies developed over the past 60 years.

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Since the 1940s, technology has progressed at a seemingly exponential rate.

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Transistors and microcircuitry have revolutionized electronics.

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Advances in aviation materials allow our planes to fly faster than was previously believed possible.

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But did we do it alone?

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A landmark event coincides with the beginning of the technological revolution.

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Was the timing coincidental or is there a connection?

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July 7th, 1947.

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A flying disk is alleged to have crashed at Roswell, New Mexico.

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Witnesses have testified that the object was immediately taken away by the U.S. Army.

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I believe that there must have been a crash somewhere along the line or somehow we acquired one of these vehicles.

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Technology items suddenly burst onto the scene in two or three locations at once.

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Like they've all been fed some seed to make it grow and they all come to similar conclusions.

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What pieces of technology?

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Fiber optics were reported in the early crashes. They didn't call them fiber optics, but they look like glass wires or something.

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Invisibility.

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We had lots of reports that UFOs were flying along, being changed, and suddenly they're gone.

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They check with the ground, they get ground-trap radar on it, they have aircraft visual and aircraft radar that you could not see.

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Many technological advances being unveiled today were described years ago by UFO witnesses.

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Just recently it was said that they can make a tank look invisible by projecting the image behind it in front of it.

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You know, you can't even see a tank sitting on the ground.

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British defense researchers recently made a tank invisible by projecting the background image onto a special foreground surface.

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UFO witnesses have long reported craft apparently disappearing in front of their eyes.

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You were there. What was the scuttlebutt in that community?

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Were people talking?

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The guys talk about things of very unusual nature to each other, but they don't talk to people outside of that community.

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The special access community is a very close community, and you will lie sheet or steel to protect it.

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And it's necessary to be that way.

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Would you have heard any rumors? Who's got what?

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I would not say that on camera.

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I asked him straight up, you know, okay, well you know people, you know, who have you talked to?

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Who's got the stuff? Who's got the goods? Where's the, where's this craft being kept?

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You don't want me shot, do you?

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And he basically said, no, I can't tell you that.

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Shusler is certain that reverse engineering of downed UFOs is being done secretly.

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There's just way too many advancements coming out, and people don't really know what's going on behind the scenes.

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Advanced technologies have long and complicated histories, making it difficult to trace their development.

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But one aviation expert has noticed striking similarities between a UFO and a revolutionary U.S. aircraft.

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March Air Force Base, Riverside County, California.

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Aircraft journalist Bernard Toinelle has studied the sudden invention of the SR-71, more commonly referred to as the Blackbird.

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The PhD resistance of the Cold War.

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Lockheed designer Clarence Kelly Johnson defied all conventional aeronautical design when he created the SR-71.

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Its flattened shape and tapering sides reduced its radar signature to a minimum.

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Aircraft of comparable size to the Blackbird appear on radar screens the size of a flying house, but the SR-71 appears the size of just the front door.

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Even more astounding, Kelly achieved this effect 25 years before the stealth fighter was unveiled.

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It was the first craft to be comprised mainly of titanium and one of the first attempts in stealth design.

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Where did Kelly Johnson's advanced ideas come from?

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That blended wing fuselage, the stubby wings and the huge tail surfaces, a plane that by right shouldn't fly.

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You're saying that the designer of the SR-71 was inspired by the UFO sighting?

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Johnson had two verified encounters with UFOs and subsequently filed reports of both sightings.

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What's the sketch of UFO, the first blueprint of an SR-71?

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In December 1964, the SR-71 was unveiled.

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Its Mach 3 cruising speed, titanium airframe and revolutionary stealth technology astounded aviation experts.

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But some wondered if these advances were somehow related to designer Kelly Johnson's reports of seeing UFOs.

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Johnson died in 1990 without answering the question.

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Kelly Johnson conceived really the aircraft from A to Z. He conceived the U2 the same way.

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Now Clarence Kelly had a UFO sighting.

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November 15th, 1951, Agora, California. Johnson witnesses a strange object in the sky with a swept back flying wing shape, unlike any known aircraft of that time.

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Suddenly saw something elliptic, very metallic and very huge dimension.

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There was also another sighting he had.

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December 15th, 1953. Two years later, Johnson notices a dark elliptical shape hovering motionless in the sky.

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Suddenly it begins accelerating at impossibly fast speed.

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He saw strange craft with two axles going very fast. It was not jet and he didn't know what it was.

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Johnson made detailed notes and a sketch of that object.

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He believed it to be approximately 200 feet wide, hovering at an altitude of 15,000 feet and about 30 to 60 miles away.

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His sketch of the enigmatic object strongly resembles the plane he designed 13 years later.

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He mentioned that he cannot explain what he saw, but the most interesting thing is another crew was flying at the same time.

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Johnson's UFO sighting was independently confirmed by two rocky pilots on a WV2 test flight near Long Beach, California.

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It can correlate what he saw.

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The two pilots both reported seeing the same dark shape and echoed Johnson's estimate of the object's altitude and speed.

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We have to remember that Clarence Kelly Johnson was the founder of Lockheed Skunkworks,

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an aerospace company that went on to design some of the most advanced flying craft in the world.

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So this was no average engineer and one has to wonder, what's his sketch of UFO, the first blueprint of an SR-71?

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It would be incredibly interesting as an engineer or scientist to try to reverse engineer something like UFO.

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An engineer can take the knowledge they have and see some hints towards how to evolve it.

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Whatever the source of his inspiration, Kelly Johnson's SR-71 was the first of an ongoing stream of ever more sophisticated stealth designs.

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The SR-71 has had an impact on every military plane in the sky today.

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The SR-71 is not the only plane whose revolutionary design raised questions about its origin.

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When the V-2 stealth bomber and the F-117 stealth fighter were unveiled, their flying wing shape was revolutionary.

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But even more astounding is their lack of radar signature.

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Due to a revolutionary top-secret skin that UFO researchers believe also to be reverse engineered,

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the airplanes are completely undetectable while flying.

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People believe that Kenneth Arnold saw a saucer in the sky.

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Wrong. What Kenneth Arnold actually saw was almost a delta wing shape, almost like a stealth fighter.

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The craft that actually crashed at Roswell was not a flying saucer.

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It was a flying saucer.

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Today's flying wing designs are almost direct descendants of the modified blended flying wing that crashed at Roswell.

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A flying wing aircraft blends the fuselage into the wings, creating a wedge-shaped plane.

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Although a flying wing has superior lift and fuel efficiency, historically it's proved hard to maneuver.

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The Germans produced a jet-powered flying wing aircraft in 1944.

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But pressures of war kept designers from solving the craft's many technical difficulties.

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The U.S. Air Force began developing flying wing aircraft but shut down the program in 1948

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when a crash killed two test pilots and three engineers.

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The German Air Force was the first to launch the aircraft in the United States.

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The crash killed two test pilots and three engineers.

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Was technology taken from the Roswell crash responsible for the eventual perfection of the flying wing?

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If these UFOs existed and they were just thousands of years more advanced than what we are familiar with today,

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I'm not sure that we would be able to understand it.

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Reverse engineering entails copying everything from an existing machine,

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from complicated electronics down to the chemical composition of basic materials.

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It's no easy task, even when the technology being copied is from right here on Earth.

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The B-29 bomber is probably the best example of reverse engineering.

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Through the Cold War, World War II, World War I, the military has been doing reverse engineering of foreign aircraft,

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famous cases of the U.S. getting their hands on Russian aircraft and reverse engineering,

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the functionality or some of the advanced performance characteristics of the Russian aircraft,

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and it goes both ways, the Russians are doing the same thing to us.

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It's undisputed that countries routinely reverse engineer technologies from other countries.

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Could they be applying the same techniques to objects not of this world?

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Stunning gave the order if we can get a B-29, try to rebuild it.

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July 31st, 1944, a B-29 bomber experiences engine problems and is forced to land near Vladivostok, USSR.

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Later, two other B-29s also make emergency landings in Russia.

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Another crashes in Siberia.

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All four craft are kept by the Soviets.

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Their reverse engineering effort creates the Tukolev Tu-4.

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The Russians were...

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Wow!

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Today's mainstream technology could have been wholly developed by our planet's cleverest species, us.

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But the idea that we've reverse engineered some devices from alien technology continues to intrigue.

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As with these photographs, allegedly of U.S. military drones inspired by real UFOs.

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MUFON director James Kerian notes striking similarities between the photographs of the purported military drone

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and a famous UFO crash in Pennsylvania.

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December 9th, 1965.

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Thousands of people in six states and Ontario, Canada report seeing a brilliant fireball streak overhead.

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A number of frantic calls from witnesses were recorded on tape and still survive.

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Across the sky came a huge white ball of fire.

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There was an object in the sky 18 minutes before fire.

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Metallic debris reportedly drops over northern Ohio.

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And the object causes sonic booms in western Pennsylvania.

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According to witnesses, it finally lands in the woods outside Kecksburg, Pennsylvania, 30 miles southeast of Pittsburgh.

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Local firemen rush to the scene, but discover a U.S. military unit has already cordoned off the area.

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Soldiers reportedly take the mysterious object to an undisclosed location,

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presumed to be Wright-Patterson Air Force Base in Dayton, Ohio.

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The official explanation is that a meteor has crashed.

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But numerous witnesses and newspapers believe that this was in fact a UFO

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and that it has played a key role in the U.S. military's reverse engineering program.

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If you look at eyewitness information who actually saw the Kecksburg object,

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they saw it make a 25-degree trajectory change and some sort of intelligent control when it came down.

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And eyewitness testimony states that what they found was an intact craft on the ground.

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It had made a trench where it had come down after it broke through a bunch of trees

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and that it was retrieved intact by the military, put on a flatbed truck and transported out of the area.

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Kerrion's research has revealed that numerous eyewitnesses of the Kecksburg crash

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reported seeing strange symbols on the base of the UFO.

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When the town erected a monument to the crashed object, the symbols were prominently recreated.

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And now, 40 years after the crash, they are apparently turning up in another context.

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So we see the correlation between the symbols on the drone craft and the symbols that were seen on the Kecksburg.

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If the Kerrion documents are indeed real, they indicate the government may be using private industry to reverse engineer.

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Private entities have another advantage. They're immune to freedom of information requests.

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That object that is in that image is completely inconsistent with the physics of aircraft flying.

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For example, the mass distribution or the center of gravity is way off.

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There's no way that could fly through air at high speed.

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Which leaves me thinking there's some miracle technology that's way beyond anything we can understand.

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Maybe it's enveloped in a force field and that's providing their dynamics.

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It's speculation, but it's important to look at the physics of what's being presented.

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Have you had a chance to analyze this?

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Oh yeah, these are some of the drone images.

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Dr. Bruce McAbee was an optical physicist for the United States Navy, specializing in imagery analysis.

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He and Ted Ackworth analyzed the drone photographs.

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These pictures were essentially posted on the internet.

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I should point out that clearly this is not an aerodynamic type of structure that we're looking at here.

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If it really is real and flying along, it's using some extraordinary means.

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It could be extremely lightweight and blowing air downwards, I suppose.

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It's immediately obvious that these vehicles, if real, defy conventional aerodynamics.

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In order to fly, they would have to use some unknown method of propulsion and lift.

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It seems that just about every case, the quality of the images is very low.

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In this case, with military drones, for once we have what appear to be very well-exposed digital photographs.

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Wait a second, it's missing some pieces of the craft.

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And is this early?

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McAbee notes that one of the earliest photographs, allegedly taken in May 2007,

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differs from a photo said to be taken a month later.

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The most recent image shows a more highly developed craft.

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This is early?

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I said this is a more developed version of it.

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So you're saying that there are a series of images that were posted that show a progression of features on the craft?

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You can see how this initial version was. It had spires, or spikes that came up.

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It had a circular donut-shaped main body. It had a tail going out to the side and a spike coming off.

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I need it over some sequined images. It's developed or grown more components.

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Either that means this craft is actually deploying additional hardware parts,

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or somebody is building up a CGI model and developing the complexity of the model over the sequence of the photos.

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All of the stuff that's been presented around this Isaac case and these drones, it's all very interesting.

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But all of this hinges on the testimony of some guy named Isaac.

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I need some kind of evidence to support this.

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I think we have to investigate this further to really know if any of this is true.

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Is this real or is it a hoax?

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The search for the truth only adds more layers to the enigma.

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These photographs, reportedly shot over California in 2007,

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show craft possibly reverse engineered by our government from captured alien technology.

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Although the carrot documents allege that reverse engineering is being subcontracted out to private facilities,

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most UFO researchers believe that if it's taking place, it's being done at high-security military bases.

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I'm coming up with a lot of documents here about underground bases and their connection to reverse engineering.

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The file includes a declassified, formally top-secret 1952 briefing prepared for incoming president Dwight Eisenhower.

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This says top-secret, eyes only. It's prepared for president-elect Eisenhower.

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And it goes on to say that the Roswell crash was real and the wreckage of the craft was removed to several different locations,

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one of them possibly Area 51.

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Two names have become synonymous with reverse engineering, Dulce Mesa, New Mexico and Area 51.

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A number of scientists and engineers who worked at Area 51 reported suspicious activity at the site.

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Robert Lazar supposedly was one of the people who was asked by the Air Force to go to Area 51

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and give his advice on how to reverse engineer the propulsion systems of all the craft that were kept at Area 51.

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Bob Lazar surfaced in the early 1990s, claiming to have been an engineer who worked at Area 51,

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supposedly reverse engineering captured UFOs.

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Here's a story about a guy named Bill Uhouse who is a retired mechanical engineer from Vegas

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who claims he worked with an EBE, an extra-terrestrial biological entity.

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Another purported base involved with reverse engineering is located underneath the town of Dulce, New Mexico.

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Dulce is a very secret military base that is underground.

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According to the United States Army's own mining engineers, this is the most heavily tunneled area in the entire world

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that ever since the late 1940s we've dug tunnels in all these states.

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Dulce is one of those tunnels.

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I know that there are bases that are tunneled deep into the ground for their protection so that they can survive,

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let's say a nuclear attack, but are there these secret underground bases, reverse engineering vehicles?

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That I can't say for sure.

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A subject surrounded by secrecy is always an easy target for hoaxers.

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And digital image manipulation has made their job easier than ever, which isn't to say that the photographs aren't real.

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Ted meets with computer graphics specialist Phil Cresenzo at his studio in Angora, California to analyze the drone photographs.

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The light for these objects appears to be coming from this angle.

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I'm not sure that that's the same angle that the light for the telephone pole.

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If anything, I would say that it's deceptive.

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Phil has noticed that all the photographs show the craft moving toward or away from a wooded area, but never over it.

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None of these shots really have the ship behind woods where you would think someone, if they saw a craft like this,

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would be shooting constantly, and one or two of these shots would have it behind a lot of foliage.

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It's much easier to make a composite when you have all these straight lines,

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and for instance, if you were to try to put this craft behind a number of leaves,

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and I noticed that in this whole sequence of images, there are none where the craft is behind anything.

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You know, either it's a really, really well-crafted hoax or a real image.

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It leaves me wondering, what would it take to create these kinds of fake photos?

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Remember the frame that I told you to look at?

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This shot.

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This is it right here. I shot it yesterday, and I left a nice spot for me to put something into that frame.

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I just did a quick approximation of what the lighting might be for this shot and rendered a 3D object out.

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If I just bring the object in and lay it in the shot, you get a pretty stark image here.

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To my eye, it seems clear the object's just stuck on there.

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Stuck on there.

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So the first thing I would render it with some motion blur, even objects that are moving fairly slow,

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should have some motion blur on them.

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Does a blur occur on the drone photos?

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It's sort of one thing that I feel like I'm missing when I look at these photos is a little bit of motion blur.

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I don't see any rotation. I see no motion blur at all. It appears to be stationary,

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and that conflicts with the fact that the craft is moving across those telephone wires

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and moving across some of these parts of the scene.

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Now the only thing that this is missing to sort of fit into the shot is to have the grain from the background

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applied back onto the ship.

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Right.

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Look at that.

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It definitely looks a lot better after you've applied those effects.

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Exactly.

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It's impressive. I mean, you've got it to my eye looking like maybe 99% believable

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that there's a UFO flying in your front yard.

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But you can see how someone with even more time would probably be able to create a very convincing image.

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After all of this analysis, you know, what is it? Is this real or is it a hoax?

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I tend to go with this being a computer generated image.

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At the end of the day, we weren't able to prove that these were fakes or hoax.

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On the other side, we weren't able to prove that they were real.

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I'm not sure it's possible to do that.

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And bottom line, you know, I'm just not going to believe that we're seeing a real UFO

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solely based on a set of images.

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If the carrot photos and documents are fakes, they are extremely good ones.

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Somebody has spent hours creating and detailing these documents.

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Why?

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Why are all the photo witnesses anonymous?

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Nobody's come forward.

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We have no identifiable person who says I've taken these photos.

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So this whole thing smells like a hoax?

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Read them between the lines here.

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And at the top of my list is disinformation.

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Okay.

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Are they trying to hide real alien technology?

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Are they trying to hide that we've been visited by extraterrestrials?

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Or are they just simply trying to hide a super secret weapon?

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But for me, the bottom line is there is a secret here that's being protected.

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It's being cloaked.

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And that's what Mufon's here to find out what that secret is.

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Ralph Ring is a technician who worked closely in the 1950s and 60s with Otis Carr,

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an inventor who claimed to be a protege of Nikola Tesla.

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Carr believed he could build a working flying disc.

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And Ralph Ring asserts they succeeded.

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Ralph, how did you meet Otis T. Carr?

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A friend of mine introduced me to a group called Understanding

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that was studying stuff like science.

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They brought Carr and his entourage out, and we got up there and rain stormed.

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We decided to get together and build spaceships.

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1958, Oklahoma.

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Otis Carr starts construction of the OTCX-1, a 45-foot flying saucer.

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He describes his invention on Long John Neville's New York radio show in 1950.

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We have a truly space vehicle that does not burn up its energy in a few seconds.

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It could make it trip very easily as other aerial transportation systems from here to Baltimore

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or from here to the moon.

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Carr claimed to have been shown secret theories and techniques of Nikola Tesla.

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There is no independent corroboration of Carr's story.

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Later, Carr claimed to have seen three electrically charged UFOs,

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which inspired him to use Tesla's theories to create a new form of propulsion.

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We can accelerate tremendous velocity.

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I was selected and I had two other engineers when we got on board.

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Ralph and two engineers were the first passengers.

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I had an experience on board of this 45-foot crowd.

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Could you describe the experience?

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Sure. When we got on board and Carr said what we're going to do is we're going to vibrate this crowd

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to that particular frequency, the color of aquamarine.

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So they fired it up and this thing turned into this beautiful, brilliant aquamarine.

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The whole craft inside was all lit up.

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And then he started to build the OTCX-1.

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And then he said, OK, that's it.

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He says, come on down to debriefing. That's the end of the experiment.

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Ring remembers the entire experience lasting only 15 seconds,

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but that short period of time encompassed something much more phenomenal.

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And he said, what you did was you went downrange 10 miles and you came back.

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You resonated here for about 5 to 10 seconds.

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And where you were was probably equate to about 15 minutes.

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He said, well, check your pockets.

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And we had these little jumpsuits on and we emptied our pockets out.

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And there were stones and sticks and grass and everything.

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We put it, piled it up on his desk.

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He said, well, where'd that come from?

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The debris Ring found in his pocket was allegedly from an area 10 miles from the testing site.

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He asserts he did not know what to do.

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How come we don't remember it?

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He said, well, because the brain reached its optimum capacity.

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Were there any external witnesses extrinsic to the event itself?

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Yeah.

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He was a police officer in Apple Valley at the time.

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And him and his buddy saw this craft.

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I looked up on my email and the guy says, did you have jumpsuits on?

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And yeah.

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And he says, well, I think we saw you guys.

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I mean, you just were there for a few minutes and you left.

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They had no idea what was going on.

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They felt a vibration.

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Two, there was a bright blue light.

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Three, they wound up 10 miles away with no sense of movement or any memory of flying there.

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What does that sound like?

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It sounds very much like an alien abduction.

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Otis called the police officer.

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What does that sound like?

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It sounds very much like an alien abduction.

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Otis Carl was using the same techniques that alien abductors use.

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Could we talk a little bit about what the fundamental principle was?

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Or is it a mix?

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Well, the simple explanation I can give you is you reach a resident frequency of anything

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and you then become, you synergize with it.

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You become kind of one with it.

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Because Ring is not a scientist, he has a limited understanding of Carl's theories.

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Other than that, Carl believed objects could be moved through space and time

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by creating a resident frequency with a predetermined location.

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Resonance is the specific pitch that triggers an exaggerated oscillation in an object.

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Every object has its own specific resonant frequency.

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For example, a tuning fork in the key of C has little effect on a tuning fork in the key of D.

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But if both tuning forks are in the same key, striking one will cause the other to vibrate in sympathy.

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Another example is a crystal goblet which can be made to resonate so violently at a certain note that it will actually shatter.

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We have to remember that sometimes out of the box thinking is very difficult to accept.

434
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And there were many great thinkers in the past whose ideas we could not accept.

435
00:37:38,638 --> 00:37:42,638
People actually laughed at Einstein when he came up with relativity.

436
00:37:42,638 --> 00:37:48,639
When the father of American rocketry, Louis Goddard, proposed the idea that we would one day be in orbit and in space,

437
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people thought this would never happen. We would never go into space.

438
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So I would be reluctant to dismiss Ralph Ring's claims that there are different energies out there that we have yet to tap into.

439
00:38:00,641 --> 00:38:06,642
Carl's theories are so removed from accepted laws of physics that they seem like science fiction.

440
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But when experiments producer John Tindall applied resonant frequency to an object in his laboratory,

441
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he was amazed to discover that at least part of what Carl claimed may be valid.

442
00:38:19,644 --> 00:38:25,645
I don't know what kind of resonant frequency Otis Carl was using, but I've set up basically an acoustic levitation chamber

443
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that is going to use resonant frequencies to levitate this little flying saucer.

444
00:38:30,646 --> 00:38:32,647
This is an acoustic levitation chamber.

445
00:38:32,647 --> 00:38:39,648
Basically I'm going to take this little foam cup and hopefully get it to hover and fly around inside just by using sound waves.

446
00:38:39,648 --> 00:38:42,648
What I'm going to do is I'm going to put this into a resonance chamber.

447
00:38:42,648 --> 00:38:50,649
The resonance chamber has three speakers placed on the top, the side and the back, reflecting the three dimensions of space.

448
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I have X, Y and Z axes that I can control from these three oscillators.

449
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It's amazing how much and how little energy you need once you hit it.

450
00:39:09,652 --> 00:39:12,653
Ah, see? There it is.

451
00:39:12,653 --> 00:39:13,653
Wow.

452
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The oscillators are tuned to the resonant frequency of the chamber,

453
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which vibrates in sympathy to the tone being generated by the speakers and amplifies it.

454
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The intense vibrations set up a standing wave inside the chamber.

455
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The cup is actually riding the crest of the standing wave, not unlike a surfer rides the crest of an ocean wave.

456
00:39:38,657 --> 00:39:39,657
There you have it.

457
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In chrono.

458
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Can you turn upside down again?

459
00:39:42,658 --> 00:39:43,658
We'll try.

460
00:39:43,658 --> 00:39:45,658
There you go.

461
00:39:45,658 --> 00:39:47,659
Wow, nice.

462
00:39:48,659 --> 00:39:53,660
John Tindall has demonstrated that sound waves can move or levitate an object,

463
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which Carr claimed was how he intended to propel his saucer.

464
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When you do hit the resonant frequency, all heck breaks loose, all bets are off.

465
00:40:02,661 --> 00:40:08,662
How exactly would this relate to the Otis T Carr experiments and UFO technology?

466
00:40:08,662 --> 00:40:14,663
So if he has stumbled upon some sort of ether resonant frequency that we haven't stumbled upon,

467
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there could be some strange things come out of it.

468
00:40:17,663 --> 00:40:18,664
I think it's a big stretch.

469
00:40:18,664 --> 00:40:22,664
It doesn't fit any of the existing scientific models that we have,

470
00:40:22,664 --> 00:40:30,665
but this idea of finding a resonant frequency to capture, collect energy is an interesting idea.

471
00:40:30,665 --> 00:40:37,667
A theory like this using sound waves to move an object might have seemed preposterous 25 years ago,

472
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but imagine what we might have in another 25 years.

473
00:40:44,668 --> 00:40:47,668
Guys, after all this investigation, this case on reverse engineering,

474
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I have to admit I remain really skeptical.

475
00:40:50,669 --> 00:40:55,670
The testimonies we've collected in the case so far, they seem like reasonably credible people,

476
00:40:55,670 --> 00:41:02,671
but in each case it's been individuals saying that they have eyewitness experience with some aspect of reverse engineering.

477
00:41:02,671 --> 00:41:05,671
What about all the people we've talked to that are so highly credible?

478
00:41:05,671 --> 00:41:10,672
Bernard Tunel, John Schusler of MUFON, they say they know of reverse engineering going on,

479
00:41:10,672 --> 00:41:13,672
or they know of people who are involved in reverse engineering.

480
00:41:13,672 --> 00:41:17,673
I don't see why we shouldn't believe them. How can you reject that kind of testimony?

481
00:41:17,673 --> 00:41:20,674
But we still don't have the actual vehicle.

482
00:41:20,674 --> 00:41:25,674
It's easy to say where's the UFO. That's our job is to hunt for it.

483
00:41:25,674 --> 00:41:30,675
Can we find it? Next one possible, because they're going to keep it from us.

484
00:41:30,675 --> 00:41:37,676
The real truth behind the reverse engineering of purported downed UFOs will probably never be known.

485
00:41:37,676 --> 00:41:42,677
There is little hard evidence, only witnesses who contradict each other.

486
00:41:42,677 --> 00:41:48,678
Yet it's undisputed that reverse engineering is practiced on conventional items.

487
00:41:48,678 --> 00:41:54,679
We're playing with time travel, we're playing with telekinesis, we're playing with psychokinesis,

488
00:41:54,679 --> 00:41:59,680
we're playing with whole bunch of things that are way beyond our human imagination to comprehend.

489
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:01,680
Yet we're playing with it.

490
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:08,681
Could we possibly resist the temptation to analyze an advanced craft if one fell into our hands?

491
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And if we did manage to learn the secrets of an advanced civilization,

492
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would we prove ourselves advanced enough to use them wisely?